“千面影后”叶童,最怕被问为什么不老

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叶童身上有许多标签。她是“许仙”,是“赵敏”;她是“雌雄莫辨”,也是“千面女郎”。总是有人说,叶童为什么永久不老?叶童觉得很古怪,听起来不似夸奖,反而像在贴标签——你该老了。这些标签凝聚着别人对她的观点,叶童将其视为随时能够拆解的“包装”,就像听任每根头发长出天然发色,她越来越巴望看看,“我”的本性是什么。
《极限女人》第六期,新周刊与叶童来了一场对话,聊聊她与人物的彼此成果,对女人怎样活出自我的人生考虑。
作者 | 谢无忌
修改 | Felicia
题图 | 新周刊
她顶着一头妥当的银灰色短发,那是我看见叶童时最深入的初形象。采访叶童的进程傍边,经常感觉她的调皮和不经意的戏谑感。专心的时分,她的眼睛会盯着当下的人或事物,静静地、单纯地调查;放飞的时分,她的言语和表情跳脱,话语里时不时抖机伶,聊到振奋之处,会像孩子那般大笑。
与叶童碰头约在深圳雅昌艺术中心。叶童穿戴一套蓝色蕾丝拼接提花面料、赋有东方工艺美学的新中式套裙,迈着轻盈的脚步,缓缓向咱们走来。
(图/新周刊摄)
访谈拍照完毕后,她换上了一双舒适的洞洞鞋,脚步变得愉快,乐滋滋地环视手忙脚乱的工作人员说道:“当导演听起来很厉害,但很辛苦。假如别人问我道具用赤色仍是黄色,我就会很纠结,好难啊。我仍是比较合适教艺人怎样‘骗’观众。”她一边说,眉眼一边演着纠结的神态,说完脸上显现一丝调皮捣蛋的笑。
“最怕别人怎样点评你?”她想了一会答复:“(最怕别人说)她为什么不老?”
在许多对女明星的点评里,“不老”一般被认为是赞许之辞。咱们本来对提及年纪的论题有些预设,可一开端,叶童就戳破了这层“膜”。
“应该想说我(是)老的,但很古怪,为什么咱们不去面对天然的老,会把‘不老’当成称誉呢?一般我不知道怎样回应这个点评。”
(图/新周刊)
不老
2022年5月1日,叶童的视频引起网友热议。满头白发丝耷拉散落的叶童,穿戴短袖白T恤,坐在窗边弹电吉他。底下有网友惊呼女明星已然变老、不如回忆中那般,也有人留言:“像一个年青人染了奶奶灰罢了,精神头真好。”
叶童弹电吉他的视频引发了网友热议。(图/截图)
在2021年《导演请辅导》的综艺里,导演关锦鹏找来了叶童拍照由电影《胭脂扣》改编的短片《人间烟火》,片中叶童扮演的人物对应着梅艳芳扮演的如花。香港西环的旧城区,坚尼地的电车道路,片中的场景让叶童感知时刻的存在和消逝。
为了出现人物,关锦鹏与叶童商定了一个淡色的短发造型。他认为银白色短发的叶童刚好有一种介乎于“人鬼之间”“不置可否”的含糊感,很合适片中来自不知道时空、现身于现代城市的香港女人的感觉。
就在那期间的某一天,她发现好像不认识自己了,“我一向都在包装之下日子,假如撕下包装,我会认得自己吗?我很想看看实在的我长什么样。”她相同做好了面对外界的声响的预备。有人称誉她的坦荡和勇气时,她猎奇傍边搀杂了“荒唐感”:“面对自己也需求勇气,不觉得很古怪吗?”
作为女明星,外界的注视一般是迎面而来的。前期由倪匡、蔡澜、黄霑掌管的《今夜不设防》明星访谈节目傍边,倪匡当着叶童的面,前言不搭后语地感叹道:“叶童真的好古怪,你怎样看她都不是一个十分美丽的女人,但你又真是一个十分美丽的女人。”
叶童的美,带着生命力和风味。(图/《今夜不设防》截图)
二十世纪八九十年代,香港的美人们自带气氛感,各有各的风情,风姿绰约的片影至今仍让人记忆犹新。叶童觉得自己不算尘俗规范下的美人,但自知她的美是特别的,“我理解怎样发挥我的魅力,那是绝无仅有的。”
她对当下盛行的审美保持警觉和间隔。前几年,她因穿短裙遭到不少谴责。女人大众人物总是好像被放置在高倍数的显微镜下,关于女人的变老、容貌改变的评论,她们有更直观和锋利的感触。她不解的是:“莫非穿短裙也有不同的年纪规范吗?为什么咱们总是对美有太多来自传统的捆绑呢?”
活在外界等待傍边的她们,“做自己”往往得抛下更沉重的包袱。“为什么不老?”这样的问题,似是大众总在提示她要面对尘俗既定的“社会时钟”。
“你知道老必定会产生,但咱们好像总会对不知道感到恐惧。由于咱们没有阅历过,会把它妖魔化。我曾经没有阅历过30岁,认为或许需求做不喜爱的事,但是没想到我30岁的时分才是我最高兴的阶段。那人也应该好好跟60岁共处,为什么要抵抗这些改变呢?”
应对改变,她挑选用一种漠然拥抱的姿势。她知道这个国际不会由于自己而中止,她也不会沉溺于过往。面对不知道的国际,她认为最大的安全感源于独立的自己——“安全感,别人给的,或许永久觉得不行;自己给予的话,一点点就够了。为什么咱们会惧怕老,便是怕要依托别人,不能自理。假如你没有猎奇心的话,很简单变老,哪怕你只要30岁、20岁也相同。”
Green and young
许多人并不知道,叶童本名为李思思。她从平面模特出道,19岁初次出演的电影便是被誉为香港新浪潮代表作之一的《烈火芳华》,导演谭家明觉得她赋有生命力,且有童真——Green and young,“叶童”从此成了她闯荡江湖的艺名。
年少成名的阅历,让“天分型艺人”的光环就此伴随着叶童。她从未受过专业扮演练习。20岁时,她凭《表错七日情》赢得香港电影金像奖影后;4年后,又借《婚姻勿语》二度夺得影后荣誉。
叶童在《烈火芳华》中扮演Tomato。(图/电影《烈火芳华》剧照)
即使起点这么高,回忆40多年的扮演生计,“命运、命运、尽力中”是她总结自己的三个词。她认为起先的更多时分,她被“天性”推着走。
艺人常常就在充溢不确定性的状况下,寻求扮演创造中哪怕是一瞬的火花。在扮演的国际里,叶童阅历过被迫、苍茫的时期,每次靠着自我阅历和感觉,进入创造通道,但并不是每次都能与人物碰撞出火花。她经常会置疑自我。
她曾有一次卡在了从未有过的“结”上。那是一场循环往复、阅历数次NG的哭戏,情感也在一向持续地耗费。在那一瞬,她好像被压力反弹到失控,冲到了拍摄棚外面大声叫喊,镇定了数分钟,又回去持续重拍。
“不会有一本书告知你,艺人这条路怎样走,怎样阅历起崎岖伏,只能自己去感触。”叶童称,每个人物都有自己的生命,她感触生命年轮的改变时,一起也在扮演傍边感触人物的改变。艺人与人物的相互成果,某种程度上就在于他们在人物傍边投射了自我的一部分,生命也由于人物有了厚度。
这种“结”在数年后的某个阶段,天但是然在年轮的成长中解开了。近年来她重温了卓别林的是非默片,感叹于纯肢体表达的能量。刚好香港导演邓树荣向她招手——他执导的形体剧《李尔王》正在选角,叶童将它视为从头开掘扮演和身体的试炼场。
李尔王是莎士比亚戏曲傍边的经典人物,而她扮演的李尔王被赋予了现代性的符号。全剧没有一句台词,艺人用呼吸牵引着身体与空间的活动。现代版的李尔王是退出社会干流舞台的“失语者”,身上交织着种种被限制的激烈心情:困惑、孤单、愤恨、悲怆……好像一处冰川底下,竟有亟待迸发的滚滚火山。
叶童在《李尔王》剧中扮演女版李尔王。(图/《李尔王》剧照)
“那是很原始、返璞归真的感觉。你的心不能彻底放开去演,把一切的东西收在心里边,才会实在感触到心里的能量。进入扮演国际时,我会给自己做一个小小的空间冥想,幻想自己的身体暴露在荒野傍边,能让我会集心里的国际。放空是很重要的,日子有时分也要懂得关机。”
李尔王的人物,很简单让人联想到叶童在电影《我喜爱你!》傍边扮演的患有阿尔茨海默病的白叟赵欢欣。她并没有多少对白,她抛弃了去“演”一种预设的患者状况,而是用人物的视角和近乎婴儿的天性方法去感触周围的环境和亲人。
有一场戏她十分喜爱:赵欢欣和梁家辉扮演的山哥,惠英红和倪大红扮演的长者,四个人一同去游乐园游玩。“就像咱们往常走在大街上,看起来咱们都是很简单的普通人,但咱们每个人都有自己的故事,各自都有各自的姓氏,各自的人生相同静水深流。”
《我喜爱你!》傍边叶童的扮演令人形象深入。(图/《我喜爱你》剧照)
从扮演的视点上来说,扮演阿尔茨海默病患者赵欢欣有简单抓人眼球的戏点,一旦捉住这个点,艺人能够汹涌地将她演得疯癫、张扬,但叶童挑选了抑制和收敛。这也是她认为最难拿捏的状况。
“倒推10年前,假如有时机在更年青时接到这个人物,我想我或许会演得很跳动,性情会很简单‘蹦’出来。但放简单,收很难,需求平衡,做减法。就像台词有时是把所谓的东西进行了包装,变成了表达者想让对方信任的东西,而并非开端的实在。”
火车司机
“包装”——关于艺人来说,或许是表面、妆发、戏服、台词,也或许是面向演艺商场会被界说的标签、人设、戏路。叶童感知演艺商场的改变,是从人物类型开端的。
在香港电影的黄金年代,叶童刻画了许多经典人物,她们有各色各样的女人特质——灵动豪放如《烈火芳华》的Tomato,鲜艳风情如《平和饭馆》的邵小曼,柔情温婉如《阮玲玉》的林楚楚,古灵精怪如《笑傲江湖》的岳灵珊……
岳灵珊的悲惨剧颜色或许让许多人疏忽了这个人物的特质。在叶童看来,岳灵珊某些程度能跳出传统女人人物的框框。在戏中,她第一次女扮男装。刚好由于这样的测验,她引起了中国台湾闻名制作人杨佩佩的重视,对方约请她协作。由此,叶童为自己创始了反串的戏路——从《碧海情天》的岳瑛,再到后来众所周知的《新白娘子传奇》的许仙。
从《笑傲江湖》起,叶童开端女扮男装。(图/《笑傲江湖》剧照)
当年无心插柳的反串风格,从宝岛风行到大陆。连她也没想到,许仙至今依旧是她最为人熟知的标签和人物。人物的成功刻画是把双刃剑,她总会被问——“是否会被许仙这个代表人物困住?”
“困住”更多是别人的幻想,在叶童眼里许仙便是云淡风轻的一个阶段。她议论许仙,会翻开清奇的脑洞,与你说一个意想不到的答案——“他是环保主义者,由于许仙爱小动物,才会放生白蛇。家里也是草药世家,令他懂得大天然和本真的国际。他的国际很单纯,才会简单堕入情网。”
当咱们问:“假如能穿越曩昔,你想对许仙说什么?”她说,“要爱,就别置疑。”这又让人联想到她另一个经典人物——《倚天屠龙记》里的赵敏。叶童扮演的赵敏,明丽傍边又有健康的一面,固执自豪之余,自带格式和气量,颇有现代女人的颜色。同一时期,许仙和赵敏这两个天壤之别的人物气质,让叶童的粉丝也分成了爱憎分明的两派。
《倚天屠龙记》傍边的赵敏,叶童演出了与其他版别天壤之别的女人气质。(图/《倚天屠龙记》剧照)
“我不会给自己限制某个人物,这些或许性让我觉得更好玩。我不想把某个人物当成我的代表,每个人物都有自己的生命,也像我人生的某个阶段。“
“或许性”和“好玩”是叶童在访谈傍边的高频词。当人设和标签都现已成了演艺商场傍边默许的规矩,她一以贯之的做法是,去掉外在的包装。但是,性别也是包装之一。她回绝被商场界说,所以在艺人的国际里,她能微观地跳出艺人的规范,也更有了自在本性的型格。
香港电影商场短促的改变,早让她感触到了来自时空的限制:“当你发现,怎样找了一个当我爸爸年纪的人来演我的伴侣,再后来(我)变成要演妈妈的人物,或许需求带比较年青的艺人时,你能感觉到人物的空间在缩小,但这便是很实际的商场,电影也有票房和商业价值的考虑。”
她调查到这并非是华语演艺商场会有的现状,“我想全国际的女艺人都会面对这个状况,当下的商场大多是为了出资和商业价值考虑,真实描绘女人的故事太少了。女艺人都十分爱惜这些时机,比方由于《奔月》拿了金鸡奖的何赛飞教师,她是很有艺术修养、很尽力的女艺人。奖项和掌声会留给真实有预备的人。”
当被问到“有没有抱负的女人人物”时,她笑着打比方说:”假如我有这样的主意,我会很不高兴。由于我一向都在等,就像小时分大人会问你,心目中抱负的目标是什么。假如依照规范去找,会很苦楚,那会给自己设限,所以我没有特别去想我究竟要演一个怎样样的人物,每个人物都有时机超卓,只看你有没有好好地掌握。”
话音刚落,她想了一下,又接着说:“不过我很想演一些唱歌跳舞的戏,比方歌舞剧。”
(图/新周刊摄)
黄金年代的港风让人回味,但叶童好像并不恋旧,她说自己的喜爱永久是向前看的。关于新事物,她向来是乐见享用的,交际账号开得晚,却玩得很尽兴——共享自己弹电吉他、跳舞等日子日常。
可关于时下盛行的短剧商场和流量,叶童又流露出思辨的审视,一方面敬服年青人的创造力和创意,一方面又对寻求快餐式的即时爽感有所警觉。
“它仍是有点把观众惯坏了,让人没有耐性去看一部两三个小时的长片。我仍是期望会慢一点。”
“现在连我穿什么衣服都有算法了,创造人仍是不要被流量牵着走,要自己探究才有原创性。咱们在互联网共享不便是为了树立自己的六合,沟通特别的东西吗?”
(图/新周刊摄)
“假如有平行时空,不做艺人会做什么?”叶童给了咱们意外的答案——火车司机。她说这是她小时分的愿望,喜爱重复一模相同的事,但在傍边又能调查到许多奇妙的改变。“我觉得很好玩,好像在不变的速度和轨迹傍边,享用着周围的景色,来来去去的乘客也是素昧平生之交。”
一位火车司机,这便是另一个她。她是一个一直在场的“调查者”——身处在轨迹调查,用自我的定力锚定某种准则,与当下的一日千里保持着必定的间隔。但她挑选打开双手拥抱原野的改变,无论是关于演艺职业在年代下的改变,仍是年月流动往后的自我探究。
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出品人:孙波
总监制:蔡彬/吴慧
策划:朱人奉/詹智彦/黄静利
统筹:李京霖
记者:谢秋如
导演:赖国彬
制片:谢秋如
拍摄辅导:赖国彬
拍摄:李京霖 李丽珍 聂一凡 陈阜东
编排:陆雯雯
调色:赖国彬
收音:李京霖
灯火:魏向阳
商务统筹:顾冠楠
宣发推行:陈阜东 李树玟 李楷婷
规划:庄植轩
化装:钟映平
场所道谢:雅昌(深圳)艺术中心
校正:遇见 / 运营:嘻嘻 / 排版:邹佳懿
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总台央视记者:咱们注意到,交际部今日上午发布了习近平主席将到会2022年世界经济论坛视频会议的音讯。中方对此次会议有何等待?  CCTV: Can you share China’s expectation of President Xi Jinping’s attendance of the 2022 World Economic Forum Virtual Session which the foreign ministry announced this morning?汪文斌:当时,新冠肺炎疫情仍在暴虐,世界经济复苏不确定要素增多,南北开展距离不断扩大,经济全球化遭受逆流,人类面对史无前例的应战。Wang Wenbin: With rampant pandemic raging across the globe, increasing uncertainties in the world economic recovery, widening development gap between the North and the South, and backlashes against economic globalization, humanity is confronted with unprecedented challenges.  习近平主席与会并宣布讲演,在此布景下具有重大意义。疫情爆发以来,中方活跃开展世界抗疫协作,促进世界经济安稳复苏,推进完善全球管理,同各国携手应对一同应战。中方将持续致力于维护和饯别实在的多边主义,愿与各国加强协作、共克时艰,为疫情后的世界开展奉献我国才智、我国力气,推进构建人类命运一同体。Against this backdrop, it is of great significance that President Xi will attend and deliver remarks at the meeting. Since the onset of COVID-19, China has been actively conducting international cooperation to fight the virus, promoting steady recovery of the world economy, improving global governance and working hand-in-hand with countries to rise up to common challenges. China will continue to commit itself to upholding and practicing true multilateralism. We are ready to step up cooperation with all countries to tide over the difficulties and contribute China’s wisdom and strength to post-COVID development in the world, in an effort to build a community with a shared future for mankind.

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英国独立电视台记者:英国情报安排军情五处称,英国律师李贞驹(ChristineLee)涉嫌参与政治干与活动,并针对李发布安全正告。中方对此有何回应?李是否代表我国共产党从事上述活动?ITV News: MI5, the British intelligence agency, has accused the British lawyer Christine Lee of being involved in political interference in the UK. Can I ask for your response to the security alert that has been issued about her? And is she working on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party? 汪文斌:我国向来奉行不干与别国内政的准则。咱们没有必要、也不会从事所谓的“干与活动”。个别人或许是007电影看多了,产生过多不必要的联想。依据个别人的片面臆想就宣布无中生有、骇人听闻的言辞,很不负职责。咱们期望英方有关官员不要宣布没有现实依据的言辞,更不该借炒作“我国威胁论”来到达不可告人的政治意图。Wang Wenbin: China is committed to the principle of non-interference in other countries’ internal affairs. We never engage in “interference activities”, which we see no need for. Perhaps, some people, after seeing too many James Bond movies, are imagining links where there is none. It is deeply irresponsible to make unfounded sensational remarks based on subjective conjecture. We hope relevant UK officials will refrain from making groundless comments or even pursuing sinister political agenda by hyping up the “China threat theory”.

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《我国日报》记者:据报导,13日,联合国秘书长古特雷斯对记者称,奥运会是一场极端重要的盛会,表现体育运动联合人类、促进平缓的效果。正是依据这一布景,他将以不带任何政治颜色的方法到会北京冬奥会开幕式,标明奥运会有必要成为促进世界平缓的东西。中方对此有何谈论?

China Daily: “The Olympic Games is an extremely important event, and it’s an event that symbolizes the role of sports in bringing people together and in promoting peace,” UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told reporters on January 13. “It is in this strict context and without any political dimension that I intend to be present in the opening – with this message that Olympic Games must be an instrument for peace in the world,” he added. Do you have any comment?

汪文斌:中方欢迎联合国秘书长古特雷斯来华到会北京冬奥会开幕式。近期,包含联合国、世界奥委会在内的世界安排和世界多国人士纷繁表达对北京冬奥会的支撑和等待,敌对将体育运动政治化,充沛表达了世界社会“一同向未来”的一同愿望。北京冬奥会的帷幕行将摆开,我国有决心同各方一道,饯别“更联合”的奥林匹克精力,向世界出现一届精约、安全、精彩的奥运盛会。Wang Wenbin: We welcome UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to China for the opening ceremony of the Beijing Winter Olympics. Lately, international organizations including the UN and the IOC as well as many countries have all said that they support and look forward to the Games and reject politicizing sports, which fully demonstrates the international community’s shared aspiration of working “together for a shared future”. As the curtain is about to lift on the Beijing 2022, we have every confidence that China will present a streamlined, safe and splendid Olympic event to the world by working together with all sides to practice the Olympic spirit of “together”.

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韩联社记者:据报导,今日下午朝鲜再次发射弹道导弹。这是朝鲜本年第三次发射。中方对此有何谈论?

Yonhap News Agency: The DPRK reportedly fired another ballistic missile this afternoon, its third such launch this year. Do you have any comment?

汪文斌:中方注意到有关发射活动。发射物的性质还需求进一步研判,各方不该匆促定性或过激反应。咱们期望有关各方谨言慎行,一同维护半岛平缓安稳,经过对话洽谈处理各自关怀,并依照“双轨并进”思路和分阶段、同步走准则,推进半岛问题政治处理进程。

Wang Wenbin: We have taken note of the launch. Further research and assessment is needed to identify the nature of the projectile. All sides should avoid jumping to conclusions or overacting. We hope relevant sides will act prudently, jointly safeguard peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula, resolve respective concerns through dialogue and consultation, and advance the political settlement process of the Korean Peninsula issue along the dual-track approach and the phased and synchronized principle.

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新华社记者:近来,多名海合会国家外长和海合会秘书长同期访华,王毅国务委员兼外长别离同他们举办谈判会晤。发言人能否介绍相关状况?拜访获得哪些效果,怎么点评中方同这些国家的联系及开展前景?

Xinhua News Agency: Recently State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi has held talks and met with several GCC member states’ foreign ministers and the GCC Secretary General, who are visiting China concurrently. Could you share more information, for example, the outcomes achieved? And how do you see China’s relations with these countries at present and in the future?

汪文斌:1月10日至14日,王毅国务委员兼外长别离同来访的沙特交际大臣费萨尔、巴林交际大臣扎耶尼、科威特交际大臣兼内阁业务国务大臣艾哈迈德、阿曼交际大臣巴德尔举办谈判,会晤海合会秘书长纳伊夫,同各方就两边联系、务实协作及一同关怀的世界和区域问题深化交换定见,到达广泛一起。

Wang Wenbin: From January 10 to 14, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi held talks with visiting Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Saudi Arabia, Dr. Abdullatif bin Rashid Al-Zayani, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bahrain, Sheikh Dr. Ahmed Nasser Al-Mohammed Al-Ahmed Al-Sabah, Foreign Minister and Minister of State for Cabinet Affairs of Kuwait, and Mr. Sayyid Badr Albusaidi, Foreign Minister of Oman, Dr. Nayef Falah M. Al-Hajraf, Secretary General of the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC),andhadatelephoneconversationwithSheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Minister of Foreign Affairs and International CooperationoftheUnitedArabEmirates. They held in-depth exchange of views on bilateral relations, practical cooperation and international and regional issues of mutual concern, reaching broad consensus.

两边赞同进一步推进双边联系提质晋级,着重我国同海合会国家相互信任、相互支撑、相等相待、一同开展,双边联系坚持健康、安稳和微弱开展势头,树立了平缓共处、互利共赢的模范。两边愿一同执行习近平主席同各国首脑重要一起,推进我国同海合会国家联系向更高水平缓更深层次跨进。中海两边一起赞同,赶快树立中海战略伙伴联系,赶快完结中海自在贸易协定商洽,赶快签署中海战略对话2022年至2025年行动方案,推进两边联系再上新台阶。

They agreed to further elevate bilateral relations and stressed that China and GCC countries enjoy mutual trust and support, always treat each other as equals, and seek shared development. Bilateral relations have sustained a sound, steady and robust momentum of growth, setting a good example of peaceful coexistence and win-win cooperation. They stand ready to implement the important consensus reached between President Xi Jinping and the GCC countries’ heads of state to elevate and deepen relations between China and GCC countries. State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang YiandGCCSecretary GeneralNayef Falah M. Al-Hajrafagreed to establish the China-GCC strategic partnership, complete the negotiations on a China-GCC Free Trade Agreement, and sign the 2022-2025 action plan of China-GCC Strategic Dialogue at an early date so as to elevate bilateral relations to a new high.

两边标明将持续坚决支撑互相维护本国中心利益。王毅标明,中方坚决支撑海合会国家维护国家独立、安全、安稳,将持续敌对任何国家打着“人权”旗帜干预海合会国家内政。海合会国家外长及秘书长标明,各国坚决支撑一个我国准则,坚决支撑我国在涉台、涉疆、人权等问题上的合理态度,坚决敌对干与我国内政,敌对将人权问题政治化。海合会国家还坚决敌对体育政治化,重申支撑中方举办北京冬奥会,信任冬奥会将获得圆满成功。

They also reiterated firm support for each other’s efforts to safeguard core national interests. State CouncilorandForeignMinister Wang Yi said that China firmly supports GCC countries in safeguarding national independence, security and stability, and will continue to oppose any country’s interference in the internal affairs of GCC countries under the pretext of “human rights”. The GCC countries’ foreign ministers and the GCC Secretary General all stated their resolute support for the one-China principle and China’s just position on issues relating to Taiwan, Xinjiang and human rights as well as their firm opposition to interference in China’s internal affairs and politicization of human rights. GCC countries also expressedfirm oppositionto politicization of sports and reiterated their support for China in hosting the Beijing Winter Olympics. They believe that the Games will be a complete success.

两边赞同活跃拓宽抗击疫情和各范畴务实协作。加强共建“一带一路”建议同沙特“2030愿景”、科威特“2035国家愿景”、阿曼“2040愿景”、巴林“2030经济开展愿景”对接,深化油气资源、清洁动力、5G通讯、电子商务、数字经济等范畴协作,一同应对全球应战。

The two sides agreed to actively enhance solidarity against the pandemic and practical cooperation in various fields. We will strengthen synergy between Belt and Road Initiative and Saudi Arabia’s “Saudi Vision 2030”, Kuwait’s “2035 National Vision”, Oman’s “Oman Vision 2040” and Bahrain’s “Economic Vision 2030”, and deepen cooperation in oil and gas resources, clean energy, 5G communications, e-commerce and digital economy, and jointly address global challenges.

两边标明将坚决建议和饯别多边主义理念,推进世界联系民主化,维护以联合国为中心的世界体系,遵从联合国宪章主旨、准则和世界联系底子准则,一同敌对单边主义、维护主义,敌对森林规律和霸凌行径,保卫世界公正正义和开展我国家一同利益。

The two sides said they will firmly advocate and practice multilateralism and work for greater democracy in international relations. We should uphold the international system with the UN at its core, and abide by the purposes and principles of the UN Charter and basic norms governing international relations. We should jointly reject unilateralism, protectionism, the law of the jungle and bullying practice to safeguard international fairness and justice and uphold the collective interests of developing countries.

两边还就区域形势交换定见,一起赞同推进巴勒斯坦、也门、伊拉克、叙利亚等区域热点问题的政治处理。王毅国务委员兼外长标明,中方建议建立海湾区域多边对话途径,探究由中东区域国家以中东的方法处理矛盾和胶葛,域外国家应为此发挥建造性效果。海合会国家赏识中方为劝和促谈、推进区域安全安稳作出的奉献,以为这表现了我国的活跃效果和负职责大国担任。

The two sides also exchanged views on the regional situation and agreed to work for political settlement of regional hotspot issues such as Palestine, Yemen, Iraq and Syria. State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that China propose the establishment of a multilateral dialogue platform for the Gulf region to explore ways for countries in the Middle East to resolve conflicts and disputes in the Middle East way while countries outside the region play a constructive role in the process. GCC countries appreciate China’s contribution to promoting peace talks and regional security and stability, and believe that this demonstrates China’s positive role as a responsible major country.

总台国广记者:13日,王毅国务委员兼外长同博纳一同掌管第二十二次中法战略对话。发言人能否进一步介绍有关状况,中法两边获得哪些一起?

CRI: On January 13, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Diplomatic Advisor to the President of France Emmanuel Bonne co-chaired the 22nd China-France Strategic Dialogue. Could you give us more details? What consensus did the two sides reach?

汪文斌:昨日,法国总统外事参谋博纳访华。王岐山副主席、刘鹤副总理别离同博纳举办视频会晤,王毅国务委员兼外长在江苏无锡同博纳一同掌管第二十二次中法战略对话。两边一起以为,中法在一系列重大问题上有着相同或相似观点,对加强双边联系有着一同等待,标明愿进一步发挥首脑交际的战略引领效果,杰出务实协刁难双边联系的支柱效果,发挥中法联系对中欧联系的示范效果,以法国担任欧盟轮值主席国为关键,推进中法、中欧联系健康安稳开展。Wang Wenbin: Yesterday, Diplomatic Advisor to the President of France Emmanuel Bonne paid a visit to China. Vice President Wang Qishan and Vice Premier Liu He met with Bonne via video conference respectively. State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi co-chaired the 22nd China-France Strategic Dialogue with Bonne in Wuxi, Jiangsu Province. The two sides agreed that China and France share the same or similar views on a series of major issues and have common expectations for strengthening bilateral relations. They expressed their readiness to further leverage the strategic role of the heads-of-state diplomacy in steering the relations, highlight the role of practical cooperation in underpinning the bilateral ties and let China-France relations play the role of serving as a model in China-Europe relations. We should take France’s rotating presidency of the EU as an opportunity to promote the sound and steady development of China-France and China-Europe relations.中方标明,中法作为联合国安理会常任理事国和全球性大国,担负重要世界职责。两边要以两国首脑重要一起为指引,以服务首脑交际为要务,坚持独当一面的交际传统,坚持经过对话洽谈增进互信,坚持本着互利共赢精力深化协作,为中法联系开好头,为中欧联系起好步。博纳标明,法中都是联合国安理会常任理事国,对促进平缓安全发挥着至关重要效果。法方珍爱两国首脑友谊,高度重视法中战略交流,等待一同执行好两国首脑到达的一起和建立的大志方针,完成互利共赢。法方建议坚持奥林匹克精力,敌对体育政治化,法国运动员等待参与北京冬奥会。两边一起赞同持续推进航空、航天、农食产品、核能、三方商场、绿色、数字等各范畴协作,谈论大数据、云核算等新式范畴协作。The Chinese side said that as permanent members of the UN Security Council and major global countries, China and France shoulder important international responsibilities. The two sides should follow the important consensus reached by the two heads of state, give top priority to serving the heads-of-state diplomacy, adhere to the tradition of independent diplomacy, enhance mutual trust through dialogue and consultation, and deepen cooperation in the spirit of mutual benefit, so as to kick off China-France and China-Europe relations to a good start. Bonne said that France and China are permanent members of the UN Security Council and both play a vital role in promoting peace and security. The French side cherishes the friendship between the two heads of state and attaches great importance to strategic communication with China. France looks forward to jointly implementing the consensus reached and ambitious goals set by the two heads of state to achieve mutual benefit and win-win results. France stands for upholding the Olympic spirit and opposing the politicization of sports. French athletes look forward to participating in the Beijing Winter Olympics. The two sides agreed to continue to advance cooperation in such areas as aviation, aerospace, agro-food products, nuclear energy, third market, green development and digital economy and explore cooperation in emerging fields like big data and cloud computing.两边就中欧联系交换定见。中方着重,“和而不同”是欧盟建造的一条成功经验。中欧联系安稳开展契合欧洲底子和长远利益。欧洲作为一支独立力气,是多极化的重要组成部分。中方支撑欧洲一体化,支撑欧盟开展壮大,在世界上发挥更大效果。不管中欧联系处于顺境,仍是遭受波折,这一方针不会改动,期望欧方持续坚持活跃务实对华方针。博纳标明,欧洲将持续坚持战略自主,欧中不该敌对,更不该对立,而应进一步增进互信、推进协作,持续做高标准的协作伙伴。法方了解涉台问题的重要性和敏感性,将遵从一个我国准则。The two sides exchanged views on China-Europe relations. The Chinese side stressed that harmony without uniformity is a successful lesson in EU’s development and a steady relationship meets Europe’s fundamental and long-term interests. Europe as an independent force is an integral part of the multi-polar world. China supports Europe’s integration, the EU’s development and its greater role in the international community. This policy will not change whether China-EU relations are in smooth progress or encounter setbacks. We hope the European side can continue to follow an active and practical China policy. Bonne said Europe will continue to uphold strategic autonomy. Europe and China should not stand in opposition, still less confrontation, but should further strengthen mutual trust and promote cooperation, and stay as high-level partners. The French side understands the importance and sensitivity of the Taiwan question, and will abide by the one-China principle.两边还就抗击疫情和完善全球管理交换定见。博纳感谢中方对法方抗疫的支撑,赏识中方为全球抗疫发挥的活跃效果。两边标明将持续坚持联合抗疫,推进全球疫苗公正分配。两边一起以为应当坚持多边主义,加强应对气候变化和维护生物多样性协作。两边就伊朗核、阿富汗、缅甸等问题进行了深化谈论,协调了互相态度。The two sides exchanged views on fighting the pandemic and improving global governance. Bonne thanked China for its support for France against the pandemic, and appreciates China’s active role in the global fight against COVID-19. The two sides expressed readiness to stand together to combat the virus and promote equitable vaccine distribution across the world. Both sides agreed that multilateralism should be upheld, and cooperation on climate change and biodiversity protection strengthened. The two sides also had a thorough discussion on issues including the Iranian nuclear issue, Afghanistan and Myanmar, and coordinated respective positions.

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巴通社记者:据报导,巴基斯坦总理伊姆兰·汗将到会北京冬奥会开幕式。中方有何回应?能否供给更多信息?Associated Press of Pakistan: According to reports, Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan will attend the opening ceremony of Beijing Winter Olympic Games. Do you have any response or more information to share here?

汪文斌:中方高度赏识并欢迎巴方有关抉择。

Wang Wenbin: China highly appreciates and welcomes the Pakistani side’s relevant decision.

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法新社记者:关于伊朗外长访华,你能否供给更多信息?中伊两边是否谈论了为期25年的中伊全面协作方案的详细协作金额?AFP: Do you have any further updates on the visit of the Iranian foreign minister and did both sides discuss a specific figure for the China-Iran 25-year economic cooperation agreement?汪文斌:关于伊朗外长访华,咱们会及时发布音讯。请你坚持重视。Wang Wenbin: As to the visit of Iran’s foreign minister to China, we will release information in due course. Please stay tuned.

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日本播送协会记者:今日,日本前辅弼海部俊树去世。中方对此有何谈论?NHK: Former Japanese Prime Minister Toshiki Kaifu passed away today. What is China’s comment?汪文斌:海部俊树先生在任辅弼期间曾为推进中日联系改进作出活跃奉献,卸职辅弼后也关怀支撑中日友爱工作。中方对海部先生去世标明深切哀悼,向他的家族标明诚挚慰劳。Wang Wenbin: Mr. Toshiki Kaifu made positive contribution to improving China-Japan relations during his term as the Prime Minister, and gave care and support to China-Japan friendship after leaving office. We deeply mourn for his passing, and express our sincere sympathy to his families.

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英国播送公司记者:处于政治献金漩涡中心的李贞驹是我国公民吗?BBC: This woman Christine Lee at the center of the allegations regarding political donations, is she a Chinese citizen?

汪文斌:我愿重申,依据个别人的片面臆想就宣布无中生有、骇人听闻的言辞,是极端不负职责的行为。咱们敦促英方有关官员不要宣布没有现实依据的言辞,更不该借炒作“我国威胁论”来到达本身的政治意图。

Wang Wenbin: I would like to reiterate that it is deeply irresponsible to make unfounded sensational remarks based on subjective conjecture. We hope relevant UK officials will refrain from making groundless comments or even pursuing sinister political agenda by hyping up the “China threat theory”.

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总台央视记者:据报导,我国驻美大使秦刚在美国国家冰球联盟总冠军球队华盛顿首都队主场竞赛期间宣布视频致辞,介绍北京冬奥会状况,预祝中美冰球队一同出现精彩赛事。中心播送电视总台台长慎海雄也经过视频向美国民众宣布冬奥约请。许多美国民众纷繁表达对北京冬奥会的等待和祝愿。发言人对此有何谈论?

CCTV: Qin Gang, the Chinese Ambassador to the US, delivered video remarks after the game of the National Hockey League (NHL) at the home arena of the Washington Capitals. The ambassador shared with the audience the preparation work for the Beijing Winter Olympics and wishedChinese and US ice hockey teams best of luck in the Games. Shen Haixiong, President and Editor-in-Chief of China Media Group, invited everyone to enjoy the passion and happiness brought by Beijing 2022 in his video remarks. Many Americans expressed their expectation and good wishes for the Beijing Winter Olympics. Do you have any comment?

汪文斌:我也看到这场活动的视频,现场充满了我国传统元素和冬奥气氛,美国观众反应非常火热。这场活动的成功充沛标明,北京冬奥会是全球冬奥运动员和冰雪运动爱好者的盛会,也反映了美国民众和世界社会热切期盼北京冬奥会的一同心声。Wang Wenbin: I also watched the video clips about the event. Elements of Chinese tradition and the Winter Olympic vibe filled the stadium and theAmerican audience was all in high spirits. The success of the event fully shows that the Beijing Winter Olympics is a grand gathering of winter sports athletes and fans across the world. It also reflects the ardent expectation of ordinary Americans and the international community for the Beijing Winter Olympics.世界等待我国,我国做好了预备。北京冬奥会各项筹备工作现已底子安排妥当。咱们信任,在奥林匹克精力指引下,在各方一同尽力下,我国必定能为世界出现一届精约、安全、精彩的奥运盛会,为疫情困扰下的世界注入更多联合、决心和力气。The world has pinned its faith on China, and China is ready. All preparatory work for the Beijing Winter Olympic Games is basically completed. We believe under the guidance of the Olympic spirit and with concerted efforts of all sides, China will deliver a streamlined, safe and splendid Olympic Games to the world, and inject more solidarity, confidence and strength into the world amid COVID-19.

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深圳卫视记者:据报导,美国华人联合会本周在美司法部外安排对立示威活动,要求中止“我国行动方案”。192名耶鲁大学教授本周联名致函美司法部长加兰称,该方案存在底子性缺点。中方对此有何谈论?

Shenzhen TV: It is reported that the United Chinese Americans is protesting outside the US Department of Justice (DOJ) this week demanding the end of DOJ’s China Initiative. This week, 192 Yale professors wrote and signed a letter to Attorney General Merrick B. Garland arguing that the strategy has “fundamental flaws”. Do you have any comment?

汪文斌:我注意到有关报导。媒体现已屡次曝光,美国司法部的所谓“我国行动方案”先设办案目标再查案,这种罔顾司法正义的做法只会形成冤假错案。据报导,曩昔两年该方案“典型案子”汇编中绝大多数事例不触及知识产权和商业保密,指控的罪名大多是诈骗、不实陈说、瞒报税款等。之前全美各大学近2000名学者从前联名致函美国司法部长质疑这一方案,20多个亚裔集体也从前联名致函美国总统要求中止这一方案。现在更多有识之士站出来宣布敌对之声,标明越来越多的人认识到,这个所谓“我国行动方案”本质是美国反华实力乱用国家安全概念、对我国进行遏止镇压的东西,不仅对中美联系形成严峻冲击,也加重了美国国内的种族歧视现象,对美国内的亚裔集体形成严峻损伤。

Wang Wenbin: I noted relevant reports. As revealed by media many times, the “China Initiative” of the US Justice Department sets caseload target before conducting investigation accordingly. Such moves in disregard of law will only lead to wrongful convictions. According to media reports, most of the China-Related Cases Examples under this initiativeoverthepasttwoyears do not involve intellectual property or trade secrets theft. The charges are mainly related to fraud, misrepresentation or tax evasion. Earlier, nearly 2,000 university scholars across the US signed an open letter to the DOJ in protest of this initiative and over 20 Asian groups wrote to the US President demanding the end of it. Now, more visionary people are stepping forward to voice opposition. This proves that more and more people have realized that the so-called “China Initiative” is essentially a tool for anti-China forces in the US to abuse the concept of national security to contain and suppress China. It not only deals a heavy blow to China-US relations, but also worsens the racial discrimination in the US and seriously hurts Asian groups in the US.

美方应当倾听美各界正义之声,实在纠正错误做法,中止以我国为“假想敌”,中止假造托言对我国抹黑镇压,中止搅扰中美在科技、人文等范畴的正常交流协作。

The US should listen to the call of justice from the US society, earnestly correct the mistakes, stop taking China as an imaginary enemy, stop making excuses to smear and suppress China and stop disrupting normal exchanges and cooperation between the two countries in science and technology and people-to-people and cultural sectors.

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汹涌新闻记者:上一年12月2日,第76届联大洽谈一起经过了北京冬奥会奥林匹克休战抉择,敦促各国在北京冬奥会前后休战并中止敌对行动。但有意向标明,美国或许会同盟友于北京冬奥会前后和期间在我国周边持续举办军事演训活动。请问中方对此有何谈论?

The Paper: On December 2, 2021, the 76th session of the United Nations General Assembly adopted by consensus the Olympic Truce resolution for the Beijing Winter Olympics, urging Member States to observe before and after the Games the Olympic Truce, the core concept of which is cessation of hostilities. However, some developments indicate that the US may continue holding military drills in China’s neighborhood with allies before, during and after the Games. Do you have any comment?

汪文斌:北京冬奥会是体育盛事。疫情之下,各国都应该饯别“更快、更高、更强——更联合”的奥林匹克格言,经过一届成功的冬奥会,为人类协作共克难关带来期望。

Wang Wenbin: The Beijing Winter Olympics will be a great sports event. Amid the pandemic, all countries should practice the Olympic motto of “Faster, Higher, Stronger – Together”, and bring hope to all as we strive to overcome the difficulties together with a successful Winter Olympics.

正如你提到的,北京冬奥会奥林匹克休战抉择是第76届联大洽谈一起经过的,反映了联合国一切成员的一起。这份抉择敦促各国在北京冬奥会开幕前7日至北京冬残奥会闭暗地7日恪守奥林匹克休战并中止敌对行动,呼吁各国尽力促进平缓与人类相互了解。各方实在遵从这一精力既是职责和责任,也是世界社会的一同期盼。

Like you said, the resolution on Olympic Truce for the Beijing Winter Games was adopted by the 76th Session of the United Nations General Assembly by consensus. It reflects the common understanding of all UN members. The resolution urges countries to observe the Olympic Truce and cease hostilities from seven days before the start of the Olympic Games until seven days after the end of the Paralympic Games. It calls on countries to promote peace and human understanding. It is a responsibility of countries and common expectation of the international community to earnestly uphold this spirit.

咱们信任,在奥林匹克精力指引下,在各方一同尽力下,我国必定能为世界出现一届精彩的奥运盛会,一同推进世界奥林匹克工作开展。

We believe that under the guidance of the Olympic spirit and with concerted efforts of all parties, China will surely deliver a splendid Olympic event to the world and promote the development of the international Olympic cause.

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英国播送公司记者:诘问关于李贞驹的问题。她是否曾以任何身份为我国政府工作过?BBC: Just one question regarding this person Christine Lee at the heart of these allegations, has she ever worked for the Chinese government in any capacity at all?汪文斌:炒作没有现实依据的所谓“我国威胁论”彻底是不负职责的行为。Wang Wenbin: It is deeply irresponsible to hype up the groundless “China threat theory”.

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我国世界电视台CGTN记者:美方官员近来标明,处理“逼迫劳作”问题是本届美国政府的优先事项,并称世界社会对新疆正在产生的“种族灭绝”和“反人类罪”抱有关怀。美国会有关议员称新疆棉花是“逼迫劳作”的代名词。中方对此有何回应?

CGTN: US official recently said in a statement that “addressing forced labor has been a priority for this Administration” and the international community is concerned over the ongoing “genocide” and “crimes against humanity” in Xinjiang. Some US lawmakers said cotton produced in Xinjiang is synonymous with “forced labor”. Do you have any comment?

汪文斌:一个时期以来,美国政客伙同一些反华安排和个人大举分布、炒作新疆“种族灭绝”“逼迫劳作”的谎话,以求完成其不可告人的政治意图。为了协助咱们更好识破谎话制作者的实在面貌,今日我想花点时刻和咱们共享一些怎么识破涉疆谎话、不被谎话遮盖的心得领会。(开端放映幻灯片)Wang Wenbin: For some time now, US politicians, in collusion with some anti-China organizations and individuals, have been unscrupulously spreading and hyping up the lie of “genocide” and “forced labor” in Xinjiang for their ulterior political purpose. Today, I would like to take some time to share with you my experience of debunking lies on Xinjiang and avoiding being misled so that you can all see the true face of those who fabricated those lies.(Slidesstartedtobeshownonscreen.)

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第一点领会,说谎是需求假装的,涉疆谎话制作者常常给自己披上三件“外衣”。

First of all, those who fabricate lies on Xinjiang always camouflage themselves with three cloaks.

第一件是“学术”外衣,便是以学者或许学术安排的名义分布流言,其代表是郑国恩。郑国恩宣称有“90万至180万人在新疆被体系拘留”,他的出处是土耳其一家媒体——Istiqlal TV的一篇毫无现实依据的报导。这家媒体和极端分子联系密切,被联合国列名的恐怖安排“东伊运”喽罗阿不都卡德尔·亚甫泉便是它的常客。郑国恩还宣称“新疆仍有70%的棉花依托人工采摘”,这同新疆棉花机械采摘率已超越85%的实践彻底相反。现实标明,所谓的“我国问题专家”郑国恩,仅仅一个毫无学术操行的伪学者。

  The first is the cloak of academic research. They spread rumors in the name of scholars and academic institutions. A typical example is Adrian Zenz. His claim that “900,000 to 1,800,000 people have been systematically held in detention in Xinjiang” comes from a groundless report by Istiqlal TV, a Turkey-based media organization with close ties with extremists. Abdulkadir Yapuquan, leader of the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a UN listed terrorist organization, is a regular guest of it. Zenz also claimed that 70 percent of the cotton plantations in Xinjiang in 2019 were harvested by human labor. But fact tells a completely different story: over85 percent of the cotton in Xinjiang is harvested by machine. These facts have proved that Adrian Zenz, a so-called “China expert”, is just a pseudo scholar with no academic integrity at all.

另一个披着“学术”外衣的代表是澳大利亚战略方针研讨所。该安排及其研讨人员宣布的“研讨效果”已屡次被证明是虚伪信息。2020年9月,澳战略方针研讨所假造的涉疆陈述宣称,研讨人员使用卫星图画定位制作了新疆区域380多处疑似“集中营”的地图,但经过核实,其间343个点位是校园、医院、住所、商铺等公共和民用建筑。澳战略方针研讨所2020年3月发布的《贩卖维吾尔族:疆外的“再教育”、逼迫劳作和监控》陈述,有100多条注释引证了我国媒体的报导,但没有一条是依照原话直接引证或按原文实在意思引证的。把澳大利亚战略方针研讨所称作是“流言制作机”更为适宜。

Another case in point is the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI). The “findings” published by ASPI and its research fellows have repeatedly been proven to be disinformation. In September 2020, ASPI produced a Xinjiang-related report claiming that researchers had identified and mapped more than 380 “suspected detention facilities” in Xinjiang using satellite imagery. However, at least 343 of the locations are proven to be public or civil facilities such as schools, hospitals, houses and shops. In another report of ASPI titled “Uyghurs for Sale: ‘Re-education’, forced labour and surveillance beyond Xinjiang” published in March 2020, over 100 notes cite reports by Chinese media, but without using the original words or reflecting the authentic meaning. It is more appropriate to define ASPI as a rumormonger, rather than a research institute.

第二件是“受害者”外衣,便是以“亲历者”或“目击者”身份假造谎话。这样的“假证人”可谓举目皆是。咱们从前向咱们戳穿过早木热·达吾提、吐尔逊娜依·孜尧登等人的说谎行径。今日,我再给咱们举一个比方,便是沙依拉古丽·沙吾提巴依。这个人一瞬间称自己是教培中心的教师,一瞬间又说自己是“拘留营”的“受害者”;一瞬间称自己曾在教培中心见到过“酷刑”和“暴力”,一瞬间又坚持以为自己底子没有看到过任何暴力行为;一瞬间宣称“被拘留者”被逼吃猪肉,一瞬间又说底子吃不上肉。实践上,这个人从未在教培中心工作或学习,而是一个涉嫌偷越国境和借款诈骗罪而被公安机关通缉的人员。这些人的所谓“证词”前后矛盾,彻底不能无懈可击,反而暴露了他们底子就不是什么“受害者”或“见证人”,而是不断转换“剧本”、越演越泄露的三流“艺人”。

The second is the cloak of victims. They concoct lies by playing the victim or witness. Such fake witnesses abound. We once exposed how Zumrat Dawut and Tursunay Ziawudun lied. Today, I want to give you another example named Sayragul Sauytbay. She sometimes calls herself a teacher at a vocational training center, and sometimes a “victim” of the “detention center”. She claims to have witnessed “torture” and “violence” at vocational training centers on one occasion, but insisted that she has never seen any acts of violence on the other. She says the “detainees” were forced to have pork, but asserts that there was no meat at all in another context. In fact, this person has never learned or worked in vocational training centers, but is wanted by the public security authorities for suspected crimes of illegal border-crossing and loan fraud. The so-called “testimonies” of these individuals contradict themselves and cannot justify anything, only to reveal that the people are not victims or witnesses, but third-stringer actors that give themselves away while changing their playbooks.

第三件是“法令”外衣,打着法令的幌子兜销谎话,其代表是所谓的“维吾尔特别法庭”。这个“法庭”跟法令没有任何联系,彻底是欺世盗名进行反华操弄。其“庭长”杰弗里·尼斯曾被媒体曝光是英国前奸细,他的职业生涯主要任务是服务美英的地缘政治意图。出庭的“证人”则是沙依拉古丽、吐尔逊娜依等老面孔,引证的是郑国恩、澳大利亚战略方针研讨所等人员和安排假造的所谓“研讨效果”。“法庭”所罗列的28条涉疆伪证都被所谓“证人”的亲属、搭档和世界独立媒体所戳穿。

The third is the cloak of law. The so-called “Uyghur Tribunal” stands out in peddling lies under the legal pretext. This “tribunal” has nothing to do with the law, but engages in anti-China manipulation with a deceptive name. The “Chair” Geoffrey Nice reportedly used to be a British agent, who spends his life mainly making up false accusations to serve the US’ and the UK’s geopolitical purposes. Those who showed up as “witnesses” were familiar faces including Sayragul Sauytbay and Tursunay Ziyawudun. The so-called “research outcomes” cited there were fabricated by individuals like Adrian Zenz and institutions like the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI). The 28 Xinjiang-related false testimonies given at the “tribunal” were all rebuked by the relatives and colleagues of the so-called “witnesses”, as well as independent media in the world.

不管说谎者披着什么样的“外衣”,在现实和本相面前都会沦为皇帝的新衣。信任当咱们往后看到或听到所谓新疆“逼迫劳作”“种族灭绝”的谎话时,不会那么容易上当受骗。

  No matter what cloak the liars may wear, their disguise is no different from the “emperor’s new clothes” in the face of facts and truth. We believe you would not be easily hoodwinked when you encounter lies about Xinjiang including “forced labor” and “genocide” again.

  我要和咱们共享的第二点领会是,假造涉疆谎话的人看似互相孤立,实则紧密相联,背面都遭到同一个“主子”的指派和控制。

  Second, those who make up Xinjiang-related lies seem to be independent from each other, but are in reality closely related as they are prompted and manipulated by the same force behind the scene.

  比方,吐尔逊娜依·孜尧登抵达美国之前曾屡次承受外国媒体采访,没有一次提到她从前遭受过虐待,但在抵达美国之后,在遭到一些实力“训练”之后,她就立刻改动了说法。沙依拉古丽逃到境外后,与美国赞助的“东突”安排相勾结,遭到美国国务院“嘉奖”,更是遭到蓬佩奥的吹捧。

  For example, Tursunay Ziyawudun had received several interviews of foreign media outlets before arriving in the US, where she did not mention once that she was a victim of abuse. But she immediately changed her stories after she set foot in the US and received some “training” by certain forces. After fleeing overseas, Sayragul Sauytbay colluded with “East Turkistan” organizations sponsored by the US, was awarded by the US Department of State, and was even showered with Pompeo’s praise.

  郑国恩供职于美国情报安排操作建立的反华安排“共产主义受难者留念基金会”和詹姆斯顿基金会,是美国情报安排“新疆教培中心课题组”的中心主干。2019年美国会众院刚刚经过“维吾尔人权方针法案”,郑国恩就在美众院外委会听证会上绕场道贺,宣扬拓荒一条新的反华阵线:便是查询新疆“逼迫劳作”。

  Adrian Zenz works at the “Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation”, an anti-China organization launched and manipulated by the US intelligence community, and the Jamestown Foundation. He’s also a key member of a research group set up by the US intelligence community on vocational education and training centers in Xinjiang. Right after the US House of Representatives adopted the “Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act” in 2019, Adrian Zenz took a victory lap of sorts to celebrate the passage of the Act while testifying before the House Foreign Affairs Committee and used the occasion to call for opening up a new front against China and starting an investigation into “involuntary labor in relation to Xinjiang”.

  所谓“维吾尔特别法庭”的最大金主是宣扬割裂新疆的涉恐安排“世维会”,而“世维会”从诞生之日起就得到美国国家民主基金会支撑。自2004年以来,该基金会为海外维吾尔人安排供给了876万美元的赞助。

  The top funder of the “Uyghur Tribunal” is the “World Uyghur Congress”, an anti-China terrorist organization advocating the secession of Xinjiang that has been supported by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) since the day it was founded. Since 2004, the NED has provided $8.76 million in funding to overseas Uyghur organizations.

  至于澳大利亚战略方针研讨所,这是一个由美国国务院、北约及一些军火商一同赞助的安排,其最大的两笔外国政府赞助经费都来自美国国务院。该安排2020年3月发布所谓新疆“逼迫劳作”陈述后,一些美国议员便开端宣扬中止进口新疆产品,并推出所谓“维吾尔逼迫劳作防备法案”直至签署成法。

  As for ASPI, it is an organization funded by the US Department of State, NATO and some arms dealers. Its two biggest fundingpayments from overseas government agencies are both from the US Department of State. After this institute released its report on “forced labor” in Xinjiang in March 2020, some US lawmakers began to clamor for banning imports from Xinjiang, and introduced the “Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act”, which was later signed into law.

  不难看出,涉疆谎话实在的假造者和“获益者”,正是美国的一些反华实力。美国前高官威尔克森早在2018年就毫不掩饰地供认,美国想损坏我国的安稳,最好的方法便是制作动乱,鼓动维吾尔族“从内部搞乱我国”。假造涉疆谎话,抹黑我国形象,损坏我国安稳,遏止我国开展便是美国反华实力“以疆制华”战略的一步。

  It is not difficult to see that the real fabricators and “beneficiaries” of Xinjiang-related lies are some anti-China forces in the US. Lawrence Wilkerson, a former senior US official, stated unabashedly back in 2018 that the US “would want to destabilize China and that would be the best way to do it to foment unrest and to join with those Uyghurs in pushing the Han Chinese in Beijing from internal places rather than external”. It is just part of the “use Xinjiang to contain China” strategy of the anti-China forces in the US to weave Xinjiang-related lies, tarnish China’s image, and destabilize Xinjiang to suppress and contain China’s development.

  想和咱们共享的第三点领会是,世易时移,但美国的造假方法仍是那股了解的滋味。美国当年拿一小瓶白色粉末也有说是“洗衣粉”作为依据,责备伊拉克具有大规模杀伤性武器并发起伊拉克战役。20年后,美国又依据一帮糟糕“艺人”的“证词”指控新疆“种族灭绝”“逼迫劳作”,并出台对华制裁办法和法案对我国进行镇压。两者方法千篇一律,只不过这一次栽赃栽赃的东西变成了新疆的棉花。  Third, much has changed in today’s world, but the US still uses the same M.O. to fabricate lies. Years ago, it used a test tube of what was suspected to be laundry powder as evidence to accuse Iraq of hiding weapons of mass destruction and waged a war. Today, 20 years later, citing the “testimonies” of a bunch of lame actors, the US alleged that there is “genocide” and “forced labor” in Xinjiang, based on which it imposed sanctions and adopted legislation to suppress China. Its M.O. remains the same. It just replaced the white powder with cotton from China’s Xinjiang.  可是,年代在前进,世界在开展,世人的鉴别力在进步。美国反华实力假造的涉疆谎话损坏不了新疆安定联合、调和开展、公民美好的大好局面,掩盖不住世界社会支撑我国的正义之声,只会将说谎者、阴谋家的实在面貌明晰暴露在世人面前。  However, new progress in our world today also brings with it a more discerning eye. The Xinjiang-related lies concocted by anti-China forces in the US cannot undermine the stability, unity, harmonious development, and wellbeing in Xinjiang or silence the just voice of the international community showing support for China. They will only further expose the true face of liars and conspirators in front of the whole world.  乌云遮不住太阳,只会让人愈加赏识背面的蓝天。反华实力煞费苦心抹黑、镇压我国,曩昔没有达到目的,现在和将来更不会达到目的。“世纪谎话”的制作者必将被牢牢地钉在前史的羞耻柱上。  The sun will shine through the dark clouds and people will just admire the clear blue sky even more. Anti-China forces’ desperate attempts to smear and suppress China failed in the past and will never succeed in the future. The fabricator of the “lie of the century” will be nailed to the historical pillar of ignominy.

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英国播送公司记者:能够再为咱们展现下第一张幻灯片吗?我方才没来得及摄影。BBC: Just a small question, I was wondering if we could see that first slide again? I was not able to take a screen shot of it.汪文斌:咱们会后跟你共享。Wang Wenbin: We will share the slide with you after the press conference.

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会后有记者问及:据报导,13日,中印宣布第十四轮军长级谈判联合新闻稿。有印度媒体报称,第十四轮军长级谈判未能获得活跃效果。中方对此有何谈论?The following question was raised after the press conference: According to reports, China and India issued a joint press release on the 14th round of China-India Corps Commander Level Meeting on January 13. Some Indian media have reported that the talks failed to achieve positive outcomes. Do you have any comment?汪文斌:中印两国于1月12日举办了第十四轮军长级谈判,两国国防、交际部分代表参与,并发布联合新闻稿。两边在坦白、友爱的气氛中,就处理中印鸿沟西段有关问题深化交换了定见,提出处理方案并赞同进一步研讨。两边赞同遵循两国领导人指引,赶快处理剩下问题。两边赞同持续稳固已有用果,采纳有用办法,坚持包含冬天在内各时段西段区域形势安全安稳。两边赞同持续坚持军事和交际途径交流,经过对话洽谈赶快到达两边都能承受的处理方案。两边还赞同,赶快举办下一轮军长级谈判。我以为此轮谈判效果是活跃和建造性的。Wang Wenbin: China and India held the 14th round of Corps Commander Level Meeting on January 13. Representatives from the two sides’ defense and diplomatic departments attended the meeting and issued a joint press release. The two sides held in-depth exchange of views on issues relating to the western section of the border in a candid and friendly atmosphere, put forward solutions and agreed to conduct further study. Both agreed to follow the guidance of the two sides’ leaders and resolve the remaining issues as soon as possible. Both agreed to continue consolidating existing outcomes and take effective measures to maintain the security and stability in the western section in all seasons including winter. Both agreed to maintain communication through military and diplomatic channels and reach a mutually-acceptable solution through dialogue and consultation as soon as possible. It was also agreed that the next round of Corps Commander Level Meeting should be held at an early date. I believe this meeting yielded positive and constructive outcomes.

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